the fbi's role, the fbi as you know wears two hats. they have a criminal responsibility as well as a national security responsibility. and the fbi's role is really looking domestically to gather intelligence and mitigate the threat. and the fbi does that in a variety of ways, clicking intelligence, sharing it with others and government sharing it with the private sector. the primary goal really trying to attribute he was conducting these attacks but is it a criminal group? is a nationstate? is it a terrorist group? >> host: how is the fbi performing? >> guest: i think the fbi is performing as was again under the circumstances. i've said that we're not winning the fight although we've won many battles but we are not winning long-term because the offense outpaces the defense. the sophisticated adversaries are becoming more sophisticated. there are more groups, adversarial groups that are getting online because of the value of the data. it's incredibly valuable and because of that many of these groups are moving their criminal enterprises